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		<title>Comment on ruby defined? # =&gt; &#8220;expression&#8221; by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/ruby-defined-expression/comment-page-1/#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is the `&amp;&amp;` and `and` have different levels of precedence. I use `defined?(ARG)` with parentheses on a regular basis to avoid this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is the `&amp;&amp;` and `and` have different levels of precedence. I use `defined?(ARG)` with parentheses on a regular basis to avoid this issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on please don&#8217;t use before(:all) by nick</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2009/02/please-dont-use-before-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1235</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If indeed you shared blame for this, you certainly weren&#039;t the first nor the last. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If indeed you shared blame for this, you certainly weren&#8217;t the first nor the last. <img src='http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on please don&#8217;t use before(:all) by Patrick</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2009/02/please-dont-use-before-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1234</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh-oh..  I can&#039;t help but feel like I shoulder some of the blame for this post :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh-oh..  I can&#8217;t help but feel like I shoulder some of the blame for this post <img src='http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by Matt Scilipoti</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-1233</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Scilipoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  Very nice.
I&#039;ve just started to use `rake -g` for this sort of customization.  Instead of `rake spec:recent`, I now use `rake -g spec:recent`.  Your spec.opts file can live in ~/.rake too (I had to specify the full path).  Now, ALL my projects have a nice formatter (no svn/git/bzr fu required).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  Very nice.<br />
I&#8217;ve just started to use `rake -g` for this sort of customization.  Instead of `rake spec:recent`, I now use `rake -g spec:recent`.  Your spec.opts file can live in ~/.rake too (I had to specify the full path).  Now, ALL my projects have a nice formatter (no svn/git/bzr fu required).</p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by nick</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick Zadrozny: Sweet.  Thanks! :)

I&#039;m gonna have to redo this BDD-style and see if I can&#039;t get it pushed into the next version of Rspec.  I can&#039;t work without it anymore.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick Zadrozny: Sweet.  Thanks! <img src='http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna have to redo this BDD-style and see if I can&#8217;t get it pushed into the next version of Rspec.  I can&#8217;t work without it anymore.  <img src='http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by Nick Zadrozny</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Zadrozny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice take on rspec output formatting! You sparked my imagination.

The only feature that I really missed was some kind of dedicated spec profiler. So I added one here that always prints the top 3 (or 5, or whatever) slowest specs when they&#039;re all finished running.

http://gist.github.com/71340</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice take on rspec output formatting! You sparked my imagination.</p>
<p>The only feature that I really missed was some kind of dedicated spec profiler. So I added one here that always prints the top 3 (or 5, or whatever) slowest specs when they&#8217;re all finished running.</p>
<p><a href="http://gist.github.com/71340" rel="nofollow">http://gist.github.com/71340</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu is &#8220;too easy&#8221;?! by Jeff Dallien</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2009/01/ubuntu-is-too-easy/comment-page-1/#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Dallien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about learning by investigating these things on one&#039;s own. A lot of people out there learned what they know about Linux because they *had* to mess with those config files, kernel modules, etc. in the days before Linux that &quot;just works&quot;. It might not occur to them that there are ways to learn even in the absence of a problem to solve.

Personally I&#039;m happy that I can now get my work done and without messing with network card drivers or video modes. The fact that I can dig into whatever piece I might need to keeps me in control of my system even when things are going smoothly. I never have that feeling with a hood-welded-shut OS. Eventually the solution just becomes reinstalling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about learning by investigating these things on one&#8217;s own. A lot of people out there learned what they know about Linux because they *had* to mess with those config files, kernel modules, etc. in the days before Linux that &#8220;just works&#8221;. It might not occur to them that there are ways to learn even in the absence of a problem to solve.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m happy that I can now get my work done and without messing with network card drivers or video modes. The fact that I can dig into whatever piece I might need to keeps me in control of my system even when things are going smoothly. I never have that feeling with a hood-welded-shut OS. Eventually the solution just becomes reinstalling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu is &#8220;too easy&#8221;?! by nick</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2009/01/ubuntu-is-too-easy/comment-page-1/#comment-1216</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The amount of customization allowed, not the amount of customization required is what is important.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for summarizing my long-winded post into a single sentence.  ;-)

Basically, I see this post as advice to the college-aged me.  The me who spent countless hours wrestling with XFree86, etc.  The me who &lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt; countless hours to spend doing so.

I can totally understand how, for such a person, gentoo or linux from scratch might be especially appealing.  When you get thrown into the thick of it, you&#039;re forced to perform or fail, and that can be quite motivating.  But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the best investment of time, even if you do have the time of a college student.  And it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; embarrassing to be the computer geek who always has something new going wrong with his computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The amount of customization allowed, not the amount of customization required is what is important.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for summarizing my long-winded post into a single sentence.  <img src='http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Basically, I see this post as advice to the college-aged me.  The me who spent countless hours wrestling with XFree86, etc.  The me who <em>had</em> countless hours to spend doing so.</p>
<p>I can totally understand how, for such a person, gentoo or linux from scratch might be especially appealing.  When you get thrown into the thick of it, you&#8217;re forced to perform or fail, and that can be quite motivating.  But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the best investment of time, even if you do have the time of a college student.  And it&#8217;s <em>really</em> embarrassing to be the computer geek who always has something new going wrong with his computer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu is &#8220;too easy&#8221;?! by bryanl</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2009/01/ubuntu-is-too-easy/comment-page-1/#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>bryanl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would prefer my desktop experience to be easier at first.  The amount of customization allowed, not the amount of customization required is what is important.  

People are silly.  Ubuntu is great because of the great hardware support out of the box.  You can still use all the parts of debian you wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would prefer my desktop experience to be easier at first.  The amount of customization allowed, not the amount of customization required is what is important.  </p>
<p>People are silly.  Ubuntu is great because of the great hardware support out of the box.  You can still use all the parts of debian you wish.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ruby defined? # =&gt; &#8220;expression&#8221; by nick</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/ruby-defined-expression/comment-page-1/#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@brandon: Why is what the case? 

Why is the entire expression passed to &lt;code&gt;defined?&lt;/code&gt;, rather than just the first arg? because &lt;code&gt;defined?&lt;/code&gt; isn&#039;t a method call but a keyword, and it has &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; low precedence.  &lt;code&gt;defined? CONST and CONST == &quot;foo&quot;&lt;/code&gt; would have given the expected result, even without parentheses, because of the lower precedence of &lt;code&gt;and&lt;/code&gt;.

Why is the expression evaluated?  I dunno; Principle of Least Surprise, I guess.  I&#039;d need to ask Matz (or ruby-talk) to be certain.  The weird thing is that pg 113 of &quot;The Ruby Programming Language&quot; states that &quot;&lt;i&gt;the expression that is the operand to &lt;code&gt;defined?&lt;/code&gt; is not actually evaluated; it is simply checked to see whether it &lt;/i&gt;could be&lt;i&gt; evaluated without error.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;  But that seems to contradict by my irb session, pasted in the post.  The methods were clearly evaluated (allowing the printing and raising exception side effects).

Initially, I was surprised that the exception gets eaten.  But I supposed that&#039;s to be expected as well: Calling &lt;code&gt;defined?&lt;/code&gt; will never throw an exception, but will always return a truthy (string) or falsy (nil) value.

Does that help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@brandon: Why is what the case? </p>
<p>Why is the entire expression passed to <code>defined?</code>, rather than just the first arg? because <code>defined?</code> isn&#8217;t a method call but a keyword, and it has <i>very</i> low precedence.  <code>defined? CONST and CONST == "foo"</code> would have given the expected result, even without parentheses, because of the lower precedence of <code>and</code>.</p>
<p>Why is the expression evaluated?  I dunno; Principle of Least Surprise, I guess.  I&#8217;d need to ask Matz (or ruby-talk) to be certain.  The weird thing is that pg 113 of &#8220;The Ruby Programming Language&#8221; states that &#8220;<i>the expression that is the operand to <code>defined?</code> is not actually evaluated; it is simply checked to see whether it </i>could be<i> evaluated without error.</i>&#8221;  But that seems to contradict by my irb session, pasted in the post.  The methods were clearly evaluated (allowing the printing and raising exception side effects).</p>
<p>Initially, I was surprised that the exception gets eaten.  But I supposed that&#8217;s to be expected as well: Calling <code>defined?</code> will never throw an exception, but will always return a truthy (string) or falsy (nil) value.</p>
<p>Does that help?</p>
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		<title>Comment on ruby defined? # =&gt; &#8220;expression&#8221; by Brandon</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/ruby-defined-expression/comment-page-1/#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can you explain why this is the case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can you explain why this is the case?</p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by nofxx</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>nofxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First try to gemify this;

http://github.com/nofxx/rspec_spinner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First try to gemify this;</p>
<p><a href="http://github.com/nofxx/rspec_spinner" rel="nofollow">http://github.com/nofxx/rspec_spinner</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on ruby defined? # =&gt; &#8220;expression&#8221; by Avdi</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/ruby-defined-expression/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Avdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is some great exposition on a corner of Ruby I knew little about.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is some great exposition on a corner of Ruby I knew little about.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by nofxx</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>nofxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, its ugly but it`s alive:

http://github.com/nofxx/rtui/tree/master

I gave this &quot;universal&quot; name cuz I pretend to add some more helpers I got around..  
For now, its progress bar, but a lil easy to customize, and the spinner formatter.
And &#124;=====&#124; equals! hehe...

It changes the call to Progress.new, than on :components =&gt; you choose :bar, :spinner, both.....  defaults to bar.

Updated the gist with a spinned one:
http://gist.github.com/34500</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, its ugly but it`s alive:</p>
<p><a href="http://github.com/nofxx/rtui/tree/master" rel="nofollow">http://github.com/nofxx/rtui/tree/master</a></p>
<p>I gave this &#8220;universal&#8221; name cuz I pretend to add some more helpers I got around..<br />
For now, its progress bar, but a lil easy to customize, and the spinner formatter.<br />
And |=====| equals! hehe&#8230;</p>
<p>It changes the call to Progress.new, than on :components =&gt; you choose :bar, :spinner, both&#8230;..  defaults to bar.</p>
<p>Updated the gist with a spinned one:<br />
<a href="http://gist.github.com/34500" rel="nofollow">http://gist.github.com/34500</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by nofxx</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>nofxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe.yea, sorry:

ruby 1.8.7 (2008-08-11 patchlevel 72) [i686-darwin9] (macports)
rspec 1.1.11.1 (build from git)

Oh, one more thing... I had the source open here so I`ve dropped your code there, so I`m running from spec.opts

Last thing... I`ll fork progressbar just to get &#124;===&#124; instead of &#124;oooo&#124; heheh, gonna try to implement a spinner for it too. =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe.yea, sorry:</p>
<p>ruby 1.8.7 (2008-08-11 patchlevel 72) [i686-darwin9] (macports)<br />
rspec 1.1.11.1 (build from git)</p>
<p>Oh, one more thing&#8230; I had the source open here so I`ve dropped your code there, so I`m running from spec.opts</p>
<p>Last thing&#8230; I`ll fork progressbar just to get |===| instead of |oooo| heheh, gonna try to implement a spinner for it too. =D</p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by nick</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nofxx: Re &quot;missing something&quot;: yeah, it&#039;s missing specs or testing of any sort.  ;-)

I don&#039;t remember why I used &quot;&lt;code&gt;__full_description&lt;/code&gt;&quot; rather than &quot;&lt;code&gt;full_description&lt;/code&gt;&quot;.  It hasn&#039;t crashed for me (in its current form) yet, so perhaps this has something to do with which version of rspec it is running against?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nofxx: Re &#8220;missing something&#8221;: yeah, it&#8217;s missing specs or testing of any sort.  <img src='http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember why I used &#8220;<code>__full_description</code>&#8221; rather than &#8220;<code>full_description</code>&#8220;.  It hasn&#8217;t crashed for me (in its current form) yet, so perhaps this has something to do with which version of rspec it is running against?</p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by nofxx</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>nofxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, I had to change line 58 to this: &quot;immediately_dump_pending(example.full_description, &quot;. 

It crashes on pendings otherwise.. missing something?  I`ve gisted it :

http://gist.github.com/34500</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, I had to change line 58 to this: &#8220;immediately_dump_pending(example.full_description, &#8220;. </p>
<p>It crashes on pendings otherwise.. missing something?  I`ve gisted it :</p>
<p><a href="http://gist.github.com/34500" rel="nofollow">http://gist.github.com/34500</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by nofxx</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>nofxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Sweet, great! Perfect.

And jez, what a coincidence, this morning I asked David on IRC some stuff cuz I had rspec source opened, in order to finally make the formatter of my dreams...

And you did it! And you did it better!!  I was thinking about a spinner  like  sequence of this =&gt; \&#124;/- on the side, but the progress bar is way better. And just show pendings and failures... AND SLOW ONES!   

Great.. ty, gonna play with this here a lot! =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Sweet, great! Perfect.</p>
<p>And jez, what a coincidence, this morning I asked David on IRC some stuff cuz I had rspec source opened, in order to finally make the formatter of my dreams&#8230;</p>
<p>And you did it! And you did it better!!  I was thinking about a spinner  like  sequence of this =&gt; \|/- on the side, but the progress bar is way better. And just show pendings and failures&#8230; AND SLOW ONES!   </p>
<p>Great.. ty, gonna play with this here a lot! =D</p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by Zach Dennis</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for uploading the pic and screencast. Looks awesome... I can&#039;t wait for it to be in Cucumber and RSpec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for uploading the pic and screencast. Looks awesome&#8230; I can&#8217;t wait for it to be in Cucumber and RSpec.</p>
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		<title>Comment on a better progress bar for rspec by nick</title>
		<link>http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/2008/12/better-progress-bar-for-rspec/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@aslak: &quot;steal&quot; it for whatever nefarious purposes you want.  :-)  I forgot to stick a license onto the file... fixed that now (MIT license).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@aslak: &#8220;steal&#8221; it for whatever nefarious purposes you want.  <img src='http://ekenosen.net/nick/devblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I forgot to stick a license onto the file&#8230; fixed that now (MIT license).</p>
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